CHANNEL SHARING and COLLISIONS: The frequency of 144.39 is the only option since it is the existing APRS channel, is already authorized, and 2 meters provides 9 dB performance advandage over any other amateur satellite band. Shared use of the frequency for both existing terrestrial users using vertical polarization and much higher power Satellite users is a unique approach to dual use and spectral effeciency. The question is how to quantify and calculate the additive noise power at the satellite from the MANY weaker terrestrial QRM packets. As I showed, a 250W EIRP mobile will probably be able to be received due to the capture effect with his 11 to 14 dB stronger signal than any other terrestrial station. Since the Satellite will have a horizontal dipole (we hope), this gives us another 8 dB isolation (you cant get perfect cross polarization nulling because the difference in Horizontal on both the east and west coasts). But, how many such signals must he compete with? Thus isolation ranges from about 19 to 22 dB (maybe). By monitoring APRServe (The APRS Internet World Wide Feed at 199.227.86.221 port #23) one can see an overall throughput of about 2 to 4 packets per second. If we assume that each of these (all dupes have been filtered out) represents at least 4 or 5 hops, then one could assume that there are at least 8 to 20 or more simultaneous packets in the air at any instant (as seen from space). Unfortunately, these will all add as random noise, raising the threshold. If we assume the average is about 20 simultaneous packets, then any NATSat station will need an additional 13 dB on average... This assumes noise powers add. Some have suggested that Noise powers add as the square root of the sum of the squares. If this is the case, then the added noise power of these 20 stations would be only a 7 dB or so noise increase? If so, then our actual SNR of our intended NATSat mobiles may still be 9 to 19 dB above the "average" QRM. WIth the FM capture effect, this may be sufficient. Can anyone model and test this???? This situation is NOT as bad as the SAREX problem where you may have as many as 100 to 5000 simultaneous transmissions on the channel. Remember that the thousands of APRS users are already spread out in TIME over relative long periods from a few minutes to 30 minutes. What is the right way to calculate the SNR in the presence of multiple weaker random QRM? Also, I used in the above calculations an assumed receiver noise level of 300 deg Kelvin which I understand is a good average for what our OMNI antenna will see from Space.. de WB4APR, Bob